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justices agreed to hear arguments about proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. proposition 8 is the 2008 ballot measure that made same-sex marriage illegal in the state of california. residents voted 52-48 to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. the 9th court of appeals struck down proposition 8 on the basis it stripped individuals of rights previously granted when same-sex marriages were permitted in the state. opponents of same-sex marriage appealed the ruling to the supreme court which will now review the decision. the court will also take up the defensive marriage act case which challenges a section of the law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman for the purposes of receiving federal benefits. this mean the highest court now has the opportunity to rule on whether gay americans have the same constitutional right to marry as hetero sexual americans. the court's decision to hear these cases comes as a series of election victories for same-sex marriage. last month washington, maine, maryland became the first states to approve same-sex
justices agreed to hear arguments about proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. proposition 8 is the 2008 ballot measure that made same-sex marriage illegal in the state of california. residents voted 52-48 to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. the 9th court of appeals struck down proposition 8 on the basis it stripped individuals of rights previously granted when same-sex marriages were permitted in the state. opponents of same-sex marriage appealed the ruling to the...
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but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like many, but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. first time ever done so. there's a big public opinion trend here. since '04, polls have been asking people should it be legal or illegal for gay couples to get married. in 2004, 59% of people said they thought it should be against the law. in 2012 it was almost the opposite. 53% favor making it legal. pew has been asking the question since 1996. when 65% of people were against same-sex marriage. by october of this year, 49% were for marriage equality while 40% opposed it. one more set of numbers. gallup released their polling this week. 53% of people polled support legalizing same-sex marriage. but look inside the poll. among young people 1
but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like many, but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. first time ever done so. there's a big...
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one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government. would mean we still have a lot of work to do and depending how they rule in the prop 8 case we still need other states to move forward with the right to marry. >> an honor to have you on and elizabeth, glad to have you back in a much bigger studio now. the republican establishment at war with his crazy wing, said they lost election because i ideologues pulled mitt romney too far to the right. wrong says the right ring, we lost because mitt romney wasn't right wing enough. the winner will determine whether the gop returns to the center or becomes a more fringy party. >>> two people get in the room. the p
one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government....
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as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny same sex couples the ability to get married. these cases won't be argued until probably march, but i think it's very surprising. this is a huge action by the supreme court today wading fully into the issue of same-sex marriage. so it's going to mean that this will be an absolute blockbuster term. >> pete, can you talk a little bit about what it means to take two cases in this way at the same time? we know from the aca decision that justice roberts cares deeply about his legacy and the legacy of the court. how do we read that into this discussion? is he going to want to be part of a decision stripp
as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny...
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one is doma, the defense of marriage act. this administration will not defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases around the country where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender? chad, on that. what happens it doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4 or whatever? >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone obviously. >> what would it mean to a gay person who is married? >> that would mean that couples who are married in those states as well as the district of columbia, their marriages would be recognized by the federal government. now, it would mean we still have a lot of work to do, and depending on how they rule in the prop 8 case, we would still need other states to move forward with the right to marry. >> right. >> thank you. it's an honor to have you on and your organization. elizabeth birch, we are in a much bigger studio. >>> the republican establishment is at war with its crazy wing. they say they lost the election because ideologues pulled mitt romney foo far to the right. that sounds reasonable. wrong
one is doma, the defense of marriage act. this administration will not defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases around the country where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender? chad, on that. what happens it doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4 or whatever? >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone obviously. >> what would it mean to a gay person who is married? >> that would mean that couples who are...
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even a department of defense bill that ended up passing today 98-0. they still slow walked it every step of the way. >> so does john mccain help you? i mean does his comments give credence to the reform that you're having on this debate? >> well, certainly it does help us. i think senator rand's behavior and other's behavior does help us. i would love to see senator mccain join us. it's questionable whether he will at this point, but the reality is the public wants us to get something done, to work together. we know that a minority view needs to be protected in the senate. you shouldn't be able to block things for the sake of blocking progress in solving problems. >> it was very clear. mitch mcconnell wanted to make barack obama a one-term president. do you get a sense they are going to do that again? let's say ewe didn't make the changes. would it be a repeat of the last session of congress? >> i absolutely do. even though there are members that want to work across the aisle, we're having better conversations now. and i appreciate that. colleagues on
even a department of defense bill that ended up passing today 98-0. they still slow walked it every step of the way. >> so does john mccain help you? i mean does his comments give credence to the reform that you're having on this debate? >> well, certainly it does help us. i think senator rand's behavior and other's behavior does help us. i would love to see senator mccain join us. it's questionable whether he will at this point, but the reality is the public wants us to get...
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edie got a federal estate tax bill for $363,000 because the defense of marriage act requires the federal government to treat edie and thee as strangers. if thea had been tom, it would have been zero. several lower courts found doma unconstitution and it was just a matter of train before edie and the freight train that is the movement woot encounter anthony, aka anthony kennedy. when the supremes get down to assessing doma, we can expect the conservatives to defend doma and the liberals to strike it down. the comp significance of the majority will be determined by the votes of chief justice roberts who has shown he's willing to leave the conservatives if he feels the court's legacy is in peril and kenne kennedy. he wrote the constitution prohibits laws singling out a certain class of citizens for disfavored legal status. it appears doma will get tossed in the dust bin of history. the courts other gay rights case comes from california which gave gays the right to marry and then with proposition 8 took it away. taking away an existing right because of animus was prohibited by the court in a
edie got a federal estate tax bill for $363,000 because the defense of marriage act requires the federal government to treat edie and thee as strangers. if thea had been tom, it would have been zero. several lower courts found doma unconstitution and it was just a matter of train before edie and the freight train that is the movement woot encounter anthony, aka anthony kennedy. when the supremes get down to assessing doma, we can expect the conservatives to defend doma and the liberals to...
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it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice has been too friendly to various african strongmen, and the op ed did not resonate very well with me at first, but i went in and did some more research to go through the les of the people that this author listed as people that rice had supported too much, and they happen to have run five of the dozen or 15 best countries in africa over the last decade in terms of their economic performance, and their internal stability. it doesn't mean that everything is perfect, obviously, and i'm sure ambassador rice wouldn't suggest that everything is perfect in countries like uganda, and rwa
it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice...
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george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood kin. and yet we deny the lgbt member of the family the same legal protections and rights that they enjoy. it's irrational. >> steve, we -- you know, this has been called a guy rights issue, but really, it is a civil rights issue. and when you hear an argument, an eloquent argument like that from george takei, it underscores the fact that this is an irrational argument, and it's almost sort of an inevitable, it's the inevitable course for the united states. i wonder what you make of house republicans who have tried to stand in the way of marriage equality. do they have a platform to stand on if the
george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood...
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the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they became the first states to approve same-sex marriage at the ballot box. joining us now to discuss is steve, chair of the gay and lesbian victory fund. great to have you. >> nice to be here, alex. s. >> so a lot of tea leaf read and arm chair prognostication around this. i am by no means a supreme court expert, but when i saw that they were taking up both doma and prop 8, question as to whether they would take up inform i them at all, it seemed to me a signal that the court was ready to make a big decision, and i just cannot imagine, especially when you have conservatives like john roberts, wh
the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they...
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as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then for all intents and purposes is legal in all states? does what happens in california then change the relevance for 49 other states? >> well, this
as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it...
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does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for that, as think should. having said that though, the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that it puts the economy in a second recession, and heaven knows that's the last thing that obama wants. so the pressure on obama may not be immediate, but it is there. let's remember, by the way, chris, i think it's always important to remind people, your viewers, what we're talking about here. if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the immed
does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for...
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the first issue is this question of the defense of marriage act. it was passed really in the middle of the night in 1996 and signed very reluctant lie by president clinton and e sin essentially says one state does not have to recognize the marriage equality rights another state may give. if you are married legally in the state of massachusetts and you happen to reside -- this is as a gay couple -- and you happen to reside in the state of california, the state of california does not need to recognize your massachusetts marriage, and as a result there are over 1,000 benefits that can be denied to a legally married gay couple if they happen to be living in a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage. my guess is the supreme court will declare that unconstitutional because there is a long tradition under the privileges and immunities clause of the constitution that says one state recognizes the contract rights that are given in another state. so i think that doma law goes by the wayside. the second question is an equal protection question and goes spec
the first issue is this question of the defense of marriage act. it was passed really in the middle of the night in 1996 and signed very reluctant lie by president clinton and e sin essentially says one state does not have to recognize the marriage equality rights another state may give. if you are married legally in the state of massachusetts and you happen to reside -- this is as a gay couple -- and you happen to reside in the state of california, the state of california does not need to...
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before the justices are several cases most of which challenge the defense of marriage act. doma is known as the 1996 law enacted by president clinton that ordered the federal government to recognize only marriages between a man and woman. in the intervene years since clinton passed the law, american attitudes have shifted. 2012 set to go down as one of the most successful years ever for the gay right movement. marriage equality advocates won at the ballot box when maine, maryland and washington voted to join six other states and district of columbia in permitting same-sex marriage and the year that president obama became the first sitting president to publicly endorse gay marriage, a powerful sign that once politically sensitive issue has moved firmly into the mainstream. frank, you have, i thought, an incredibly moving and compelling op-ed in "the new york times" talking about doma and the thing that struck me is how far the country has come in a relatively short period of time. just because i was interested in comparing it to interracial marriage, in 1958, gallup showed t
before the justices are several cases most of which challenge the defense of marriage act. doma is known as the 1996 law enacted by president clinton that ordered the federal government to recognize only marriages between a man and woman. in the intervene years since clinton passed the law, american attitudes have shifted. 2012 set to go down as one of the most successful years ever for the gay right movement. marriage equality advocates won at the ballot box when maine, maryland and washington...
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by the way, we haven't talked about the defense cuts that go into effect on january 1, which is truly massive. those have a negative effect on the sector exposed to it and jobs there. >> really quickly now. i love having you on because you have the ability to simplify fairly complex questions. i'm going to give you one here. republicans generalliy argue tht raising taxes will hurt the economy. is there any clear indication there will be job losses if tax rates go up 2, 3 percentage points. >> no matter how editorials you read arguing that case, there's no clear-cut evidence there's any clear-cut connection between marginally higher rates or lower growth over the past 50, 60 years. >> the correlation is not definitive? >> yes. >> zachary, thank you so mesh. blake, always a pleasure. lori, thanks to you in d.c. as well. >>> coming up a deadly development in london after the prank phone call to the hospital where the duchess of cambridge was treated. the nurse initially duped by the hoax is found dead. new reaction from the palace next. plus, a new report reveals how much money was spent
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a mixed message when we come >>> in our last hour, we spoke about the defense of marriage act and the importance of good allies for those seeking marriage equality. allies are important. but at times the ways in which an ally chooses to support a cause can overshadow the very issue. there's timothy can you remember i can, a young christian who sought to bring attention to the church's views on homosexuality and chose do that by living as a homosexual man for a year. who can forget super model tyra banks head turning experiment of wearing a fat suit to bring attention to the negative treatment aimed at people who are obese. starting this past tuesday, newark new jersey mayor, cory booker started living on a food budget of $30 a week or $4.32 a day which is equal to the people in snap receive. his aim? for people to care about food justice for all. while each experiment were noble attempts to bring attention to issues, they also run the risk of appearing unauthentic. not a long-term reality. the reality that -- pretending to understand one another's experience, one striving to be an all
a mixed message when we come >>> in our last hour, we spoke about the defense of marriage act and the importance of good allies for those seeking marriage equality. allies are important. but at times the ways in which an ally chooses to support a cause can overshadow the very issue. there's timothy can you remember i can, a young christian who sought to bring attention to the church's views on homosexuality and chose do that by living as a homosexual man for a year. who can forget...
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the court also agreed to hear a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act. it defines marriage as "only a legal union between one man and one woman." the law had a big effect on edie windsor of new york who married tea spire in 2007. when spire died the irs sent a tax bill for $300,000 because it did not consider them to be married. >> the injustice. i couldn't believe they were making a stranger of this person i lived with and loveded for 43 something years. >> under that law, same sex couples who are legally married are denied about 1,000 federal benefits that other married couples get. after first supporting the defense of marriage act, the obama administration concluded last year that it violates the constitution. >> we cannot defend the federal government poking its nose into what states are doing and putting the thumb on the scale against same sex companies. >> reporter: house republicans are now taking up the law's legal defense. supporters say it helps preserve traditional marriage. >> unions of two men and two women are not the same thing as a marri
the court also agreed to hear a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act. it defines marriage as "only a legal union between one man and one woman." the law had a big effect on edie windsor of new york who married tea spire in 2007. when spire died the irs sent a tax bill for $300,000 because it did not consider them to be married. >> the injustice. i couldn't believe they were making a stranger of this person i lived with and loveded for 43 something years. >>...
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then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing the conservatives did not count on are two things. one, most families have a gay son or daughter they love or a cousin or uncle they cherish. the other thing, thomas, is at the end of the day, they didn't anticipate that conservatives themselves would come to see this as a conservative issue. >> sure, it's a traditional value. >> absolutely. >> when you have vehicle dick cheney who has a daughter who wanted to get married and start a family. just not from individuals on the right. we have seen elizabeth now. we have nine states in washington d.c. area havin
then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing...
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one involving the federal defense of marriage act. the other questioning california's ban o of same-sex marriages, proposition 8. joining me now, the former producer, host of the pioneering pbs serious "in the life," which brought a real unique, authentic voice to real life lgbt stories. did it for about 20 years. good to have you. >> thank you. >> first of all, i want to get your reaction to the supreme court decision on friday to take up the two cases. >> i think my reaction like so many in the community is it's about time. it's about time it's heard. you know, this can not go on, the level of discrimination. i think the majority of americans now support gay meraj. to deny people over rights and responsibilities that are granted by the federal government is absurd. i think it's fantastic that it's finally being heard. >> the series you worked on "in the life," it's going to air its final episode after 20 years of programming, which really helped bring gay and lesbian voices to the national stage. let's take a quick look at some of t
one involving the federal defense of marriage act. the other questioning california's ban o of same-sex marriages, proposition 8. joining me now, the former producer, host of the pioneering pbs serious "in the life," which brought a real unique, authentic voice to real life lgbt stories. did it for about 20 years. good to have you. >> thank you. >> first of all, i want to get your reaction to the supreme court decision on friday to take up the two cases. >> i think...
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he cut defense way back. i think the president could do a little bit more to attract some people over to his side if he did that. but i'm just struck by the fact that we've got this completely outside game. >> right. >> there's not a lot going on on the inside in terms of real negotiation. but we'll get there. >> and steve, this is a point we brought up last hour. you know, everybody is debating over raising top rates for people making $250,000 or more. you look -- tom's talking about $88 trillion. you look at the small percentage, these tax increases as part of the bigger problem, and you realize that we're not even having a serious discussion right now. we're obsessed on something that's not going to save us. >> well, that's true. first, with respect to what david said, i think partly why they're playing an outside game is because they've been criticized in the past of playing too much of an inside game. the president's criticized himself for not taking his message outside, telling his story. secondly, i do
he cut defense way back. i think the president could do a little bit more to attract some people over to his side if he did that. but i'm just struck by the fact that we've got this completely outside game. >> right. >> there's not a lot going on on the inside in terms of real negotiation. but we'll get there. >> and steve, this is a point we brought up last hour. you know, everybody is debating over raising top rates for people making $250,000 or more. you look -- tom's...
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his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago. saturdays we like to engage in speculation a fair amount. he didn't say whether he would take a nod from governor hailey for that senate seat. if you were a betting man, who would you bet that the governor gives the nod to that jim demint senate seat? >> i'm also a south carolina native so i have a bit of a stake in this. >> i knew i liked you. >> i made some calls. my money i ges would be on tim scott if you made me bet on it. >> how about you, shira? >> yeah. tim scott as well i think is a smart move politically for nikki haley to appoint him to the senate. >> david jackson, "usa today" and a fellow south carolinian i just found out. >> gamecocks. >> shira, are you from south carolina as well? >> no. i'm from pittsburgh. >> that's close enough. >> great town. >> shira toeplitz from "roll cal
his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago. saturdays we like to engage in speculation a fair amount. he didn't say whether he would take a nod from governor hailey for that senate seat. if you were a betting man, who would you bet that the...
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who you need in defense is someone who knows his or her way around the defense budget because there's going to be pain there. they're going to have to cut things. john kerry isn't that guy. he'd make a great secretary of state. the great thing about having panetta there is that he's an old budget guy. >> hey, i don't think panetta's leaving -- by the way, panetta's not in a hurry to leave. >> right. >> you know, he's not going to stay four years. i wouldn't be surprised if he stays almost all of the 2013 calendar year. >> here's the biggest difference between leon panetta and myself, i am very anxious to leave. >> i know you are. >> you're always anxious to leave. to take a nap. >> by the way, i have to root for alabama. this is like the hardest 40 whatever we're going to have, 35 days. to end up rooting for alabama. >> that was one of the greatest college games of all time. >> it was a fantastic game. >> and i have a real hook in for bcs tickets, chuck, if you want to talk to me later. >> i don't want to witness that game. i really -- for fear that that team from south bend might win
who you need in defense is someone who knows his or her way around the defense budget because there's going to be pain there. they're going to have to cut things. john kerry isn't that guy. he'd make a great secretary of state. the great thing about having panetta there is that he's an old budget guy. >> hey, i don't think panetta's leaving -- by the way, panetta's not in a hurry to leave. >> right. >> you know, he's not going to stay four years. i wouldn't be surprised if he...